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	<description>Maria (Murphy) Horrigan talks about Business Analysis, User Centred Design in Requirements Development and Business Process Improvement</description>
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		<title>Comment on Business Analysis Life Cycle by Craig Brown</title>
		<link>http://barocks.com/2008/06/06/business-analysis-life-cycle/#comment-184</link>
		<author>Craig Brown</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 04:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...another place to look for ideas is the product lifecycle...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;another place to look for ideas is the product lifecycle&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Requiements Management post script by Where do we go from here &#8212; making best use of Personas &#171; Matt&#8217;s Musings</title>
		<link>http://barocks.com/2007/10/16/requiements-management-post-script/#comment-182</link>
		<author>Where do we go from here &#8212; making best use of Personas &#171; Matt&#8217;s Musings</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 03:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://barocks.com/2007/10/16/requiements-management-post-script/#comment-182</guid>
		<description>[...] their wants and needs as functional and non-functional requirements to reinforce traceability throughout the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] their wants and needs as functional and non-functional requirements to reinforce traceability throughout the [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Business Process Modeling by Where do we go from here &#8212; making best use of Personas &#171; Matt&#8217;s Musings</title>
		<link>http://barocks.com/2007/07/26/life-without-use-cases/#comment-181</link>
		<author>Where do we go from here &#8212; making best use of Personas &#171; Matt&#8217;s Musings</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 03:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Include these as Actors in use-cases [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Include these as Actors in use-cases [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Business Analysis Life Cycle by Maria (Murphy) Horrigan</title>
		<link>http://barocks.com/2008/06/06/business-analysis-life-cycle/#comment-172</link>
		<author>Maria (Murphy) Horrigan</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 22:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://barocks.com/2008/06/06/business-analysis-life-cycle/#comment-172</guid>
		<description>Thanks David for your comments as well, 

I guess I am finding more and more that my work as a BA is being utilised over the life of the project (rather than just up front at the requirements gathering stage). Its not so much expanding the BA role as utilising business analysis skills across all the life cycle stages of development. 

Still forming my ideas so the feedback is very valuable. 

Mia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks David for your comments as well, </p>
<p>I guess I am finding more and more that my work as a BA is being utilised over the life of the project (rather than just up front at the requirements gathering stage). Its not so much expanding the BA role as utilising business analysis skills across all the life cycle stages of development. </p>
<p>Still forming my ideas so the feedback is very valuable. </p>
<p>Mia</p>
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		<title>Comment on Business Analysis Life Cycle by Maria (Murphy) Horrigan</title>
		<link>http://barocks.com/2008/06/06/business-analysis-life-cycle/#comment-171</link>
		<author>Maria (Murphy) Horrigan</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 22:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://barocks.com/2008/06/06/business-analysis-life-cycle/#comment-171</guid>
		<description>Thanks Jonathon,

your comments are much appreciated :)

Will check out the model you suggest as I'm finding the main issue with IIBA model is that its requirements focus doesn't address the design and iterative nature of the process. Have checked Craig's blog and this is helpful as well so will l and build upon the feedback I'm getting and post soon about my next stage in the thought process.

Maria</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jonathon,</p>
<p>your comments are much appreciated <img src='http://barocks.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Will check out the model you suggest as I&#8217;m finding the main issue with IIBA model is that its requirements focus doesn&#8217;t address the design and iterative nature of the process. Have checked Craig&#8217;s blog and this is helpful as well so will l and build upon the feedback I&#8217;m getting and post soon about my next stage in the thought process.</p>
<p>Maria</p>
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		<title>Comment on Business Analysis Life Cycle by Jonathan Babcock</title>
		<link>http://barocks.com/2008/06/06/business-analysis-life-cycle/#comment-169</link>
		<author>Jonathan Babcock</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 02:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://barocks.com/2008/06/06/business-analysis-life-cycle/#comment-169</guid>
		<description>Hi there, Maria - 

I made a similar comment over on Craig's blog as well, but wanted to share my two cents here in case you might find it useful in some small way. 

Anyway, I can't cite the original source for this - I first heard it in a training course - but the "business analysis life cycle" you're describing also sounds similar to the "requirements life cycle" I've come across a number of times that includes the following steps:

- Elicitation
- Analysis
- Specification
- Validation
- Management

If you do a search on those items as a string, you'll find all sorts of stuff. I won't describe each phase as the names are pretty much self-evident. 

I will note that where you mention "design", "development and implementation", "evaluation and conclusion", the model I mentioned basically includes all of those under "requirements management." The idea there being the tasks of the BA really don't vary that much based on whether the project is in analysis, design, code, or test. (That said, in some organizations BA's do design and testing as well as requirements, so I suppose it's all relative.)

I've also seen this requirements piece represented in spiral form. It's sort of like a smaller spiral within the larger spiral of the Boehm's Spiral Model for development, if you're familiar with it. (I know a picture or two would be helpful here. I may throw something up on my blog in the next few days if I can come up with it.)

The nifty thing with this model is that it can be applied to classic waterfall SDLC's, where you make one or two lengthy trips around the spiral (in "big requirements up front fashion), or it can accommodate a model where you cycle through the spiral many times in quick iterations as is becoming more prevalent. 

Now, you could say that the "enterprise analysis" part of the BA role, as mentioned in the BABOK, is not adequately covered in the requirements life cycle cited above. That said, I don't know that enterprise analysis would really roll up cleanly under a "life cycle" model. Maybe it would. If so, it just hasn't hit me yet.

Enterprise analysis can wander more into the strategic and not so much the tactical or project-based stuff that BA's are currently more known for. That said, to make the model work, you could also just include enterprise analysis in your elicitation and analysis phases.

Alright, I'm getting to be way longer-winded than I intended, here. I'll be following your progress on this undertaking, though. Let me know if I can be of help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there, Maria - </p>
<p>I made a similar comment over on Craig&#8217;s blog as well, but wanted to share my two cents here in case you might find it useful in some small way. </p>
<p>Anyway, I can&#8217;t cite the original source for this - I first heard it in a training course - but the &#8220;business analysis life cycle&#8221; you&#8217;re describing also sounds similar to the &#8220;requirements life cycle&#8221; I&#8217;ve come across a number of times that includes the following steps:</p>
<p>- Elicitation<br />
- Analysis<br />
- Specification<br />
- Validation<br />
- Management</p>
<p>If you do a search on those items as a string, you&#8217;ll find all sorts of stuff. I won&#8217;t describe each phase as the names are pretty much self-evident. </p>
<p>I will note that where you mention &#8220;design&#8221;, &#8220;development and implementation&#8221;, &#8220;evaluation and conclusion&#8221;, the model I mentioned basically includes all of those under &#8220;requirements management.&#8221; The idea there being the tasks of the BA really don&#8217;t vary that much based on whether the project is in analysis, design, code, or test. (That said, in some organizations BA&#8217;s do design and testing as well as requirements, so I suppose it&#8217;s all relative.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also seen this requirements piece represented in spiral form. It&#8217;s sort of like a smaller spiral within the larger spiral of the Boehm&#8217;s Spiral Model for development, if you&#8217;re familiar with it. (I know a picture or two would be helpful here. I may throw something up on my blog in the next few days if I can come up with it.)</p>
<p>The nifty thing with this model is that it can be applied to classic waterfall SDLC&#8217;s, where you make one or two lengthy trips around the spiral (in &#8220;big requirements up front fashion), or it can accommodate a model where you cycle through the spiral many times in quick iterations as is becoming more prevalent. </p>
<p>Now, you could say that the &#8220;enterprise analysis&#8221; part of the BA role, as mentioned in the BABOK, is not adequately covered in the requirements life cycle cited above. That said, I don&#8217;t know that enterprise analysis would really roll up cleanly under a &#8220;life cycle&#8221; model. Maybe it would. If so, it just hasn&#8217;t hit me yet.</p>
<p>Enterprise analysis can wander more into the strategic and not so much the tactical or project-based stuff that BA&#8217;s are currently more known for. That said, to make the model work, you could also just include enterprise analysis in your elicitation and analysis phases.</p>
<p>Alright, I&#8217;m getting to be way longer-winded than I intended, here. I&#8217;ll be following your progress on this undertaking, though. Let me know if I can be of help.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 8 things you didn&#8217;t know about me by paul ruice</title>
		<link>http://barocks.com/2007/12/21/8-things-you-didnt-know-about-me/#comment-168</link>
		<author>paul ruice</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 15:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://barocks.com/2007/12/21/8-things-you-didnt-know-about-me/#comment-168</guid>
		<description>Great Read well written
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Read well written<br />
<a href="http://www.mytennissecrets.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.mytennissecrets.com</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Business Analysis Life Cycle by David Wright</title>
		<link>http://barocks.com/2008/06/06/business-analysis-life-cycle/#comment-167</link>
		<author>David Wright</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 03:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://barocks.com/2008/06/06/business-analysis-life-cycle/#comment-167</guid>
		<description>I am not sure where you are going with this... what you have here is an overall project life-cycle. With design and development included, this is more than the generally accepted scope of business analysis, or the Business Analyst.

Is that what you are trying to do? Increase the scope? And if so, to what advantage or improvement?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure where you are going with this&#8230; what you have here is an overall project life-cycle. With design and development included, this is more than the generally accepted scope of business analysis, or the Business Analyst.</p>
<p>Is that what you are trying to do? Increase the scope? And if so, to what advantage or improvement?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Business Analysis Life Cycle by Craig Brown</title>
		<link>http://barocks.com/2008/06/06/business-analysis-life-cycle/#comment-161</link>
		<author>Craig Brown</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 05:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://barocks.com/2008/06/06/business-analysis-life-cycle/#comment-161</guid>
		<description>Maria

I am intersted in your idea.  I have extended your list a little further at my &lt;a href="http://www.betterprojects.net/2008/06/business-analysis-life-cycles.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;blog&lt;/a&gt;.

I'd like to extend this further via the blogs if you are interested.

Craig</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maria</p>
<p>I am intersted in your idea.  I have extended your list a little further at my <a href="http://www.betterprojects.net/2008/06/business-analysis-life-cycles.html" rel="nofollow">blog</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to extend this further via the blogs if you are interested.</p>
<p>Craig</p>
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		<title>Comment on I&#8217;m A BA, don&#8217;t put me &#8220;in a box&#8221; by Worship at the altar of the BABOK &#171; Matt&#8217;s Musings</title>
		<link>http://barocks.com/2008/02/14/im-a-ba-dont-put-me-in-a-box/#comment-151</link>
		<author>Worship at the altar of the BABOK &#171; Matt&#8217;s Musings</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 11:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://barocks.com/2008/02/14/im-a-ba-dont-put-me-in-a-box/#comment-151</guid>
		<description>[...] great that, for Business Analysts (the role), we&#8217;re developing material for BA the discipline. But locking it away to a few and then [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] great that, for Business Analysts (the role), we&#8217;re developing material for BA the discipline. But locking it away to a few and then [&#8230;]</p>
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